I have tried to educate myself and see all points of view from reading, publishing articles and watching video over the several years. I do not agree with everything said but if you only listen to one side of the story you don't get the whole picture. Yes everyone on every video is being paid for from one organization or another.
Round 3 – Arkansas Game and Fish with State Veterinarian Public Meeting video on CWD https://www.facebook.com/ARGameandFish/videos/10156332121228234/?t=0 (Interesting part of the video they talk about - Ban of deer carcass movement out of CWD Postive Counties, Keeping Deer heads COOL before getting samples, cleaning protocol of knives and tables and fact that they are considering putting in their own testing lab)
Round 5 – Joe Rogan with interview of Bryan Richards – CWD Project Leader U.S. Geological Survey’s National Wildlife Health Center and Doug Duren https://youtu.be/E3s6p2UP57Q (By Far the best educational interview on Chronic Wasting Disease)
Round 7 – Dr. James Kroll, Ted Nugent, and Jay Gregory https://www.facebook.com/latendressemediacollective/videos/275027869757514/?t=5 At around 1:07 minutes Jay Gregory state that last night a guy from Linn County Missouri sent him a copy of a letter and 5 tags from the Missouri Department of Conservation and if the guy would fill all 5 tags they would pay him 60 dollars a deer. That’s 300 dollars!
Well I found it hard to believe, that’s why I started asking around. Well here what I found out. The problem with this is at this time I can not find any where within the website or other material that says they are doing this. Makes it look like their hiding this system. That's the big problem with it in my opinion. You’re a landowner in the CWD Hot Zone – You get a letter from a Missouri Government Agency called the Missouri Department of Conservation. You shoot apparently 5 deer “buck, doe or fawn” You drop off a head to be tested. You take money out of your pocket and pay for processing. You get a receipt to prove you paid for processing and send in as proof you Killed a deer with a “Management Seal” and had it processed.
The State of Missouri and the Missouri Department of Conservation are calling it reimbursement. But they can call it whatever they want but isn’t this a definition of Bounty:
A sum paid for killing an animal – If there’s a bounty on your head, it means the GOVERMENT has put out a REWARD.
Chronic Wasting Disease Symposium Powder Valley Conservation Nature Center by the Missouri Department of Conservation - August 20 • Monday • 6-8:30 p.m. Registration is required, around 100 in attendance no video or live coverage provide by the Missouri Department of Conservation.
BREAKING NEWS FOR SOUTHEAST MISSOURI - SAVE THE DATES / TIMES – Chronic Wasting Disease Meeting - Bow Hunter, Deer Hunter, Landowner, Conservation Group, Farmer, Livestock Owner, Business Owner, Realtors, City Councils, Wildlife Watcher, Media or have deer on your property in the City Limits you better pack the house because the regulations already effect every single person in SOUTHEAST MISSOURI and will continue to change in decades to come.
The Missouri Department of Conservation invites deer hunters, property owners, and others to special public meetings to get information and have questions answered about chronic wasting disease (CWD). The meetings will begin at 6:30 p.m. with a presentation by MDC staff and end at 8:30 p.m. The meetings are free, and no registration is required.
Oct. 4 in Bolivar at Southwest Baptist University Davis Theater in the Goodson Student Union, South Pike Ave.
Oct 9 in Cape Girardeau at the MDC Cape Girardeau Nature Center, 2289 County Park Drive
Oct. 16 in Kirksville at the MDC Northeast Regional Office, 3500 S. Baltimore
Oct. 18 in Jefferson City at the MDC Runge Conservation Nature Center, 330 Commerce Drive
Oct. 23 in Perryville at the Perry Park Center in the Theater, 800 City Park Drive
Oct. 25 in Branson at the College of the Ozarks in the Silver Dollar City Parlor Meeting Room in the Keeter Center, 100 Opportunity Avenue, Point Lookout Topics covered will include general information on CWD, MDC’s efforts to monitor and manage the disease, proper deer-carcass handling and disposal to help limit the spread of the deadly deer disease, how hunters can Share the Harvest of deer harvested in areas with CWD, MDC’s voluntary CWD testing efforts statewide all deer season, MDC’s upcoming mandatory CWD sampling for certain counties the opening weekend of firearms deer season, and more.
MDC staff will also be available to answer questions and will collect public feedback regarding potential regulations to help limit the spread of CWD.
For more information on the public meeting, contact MDC Public Involvement Coordinator Michele Baumer at 573-522-4115 ext. 3350, or Michele.Baumer@mdc.mo.gov.
CWD is a deadly illness in white-tailed deer and other members of the deer family, called cervids. CWD kills all deer and other cervids it infects. The disease has no vaccine or cure. CWD has been found in Missouri and is slowly spreading with 75 confirmed cases in free-ranging deer found in 11 Missouri counties: Adair, Cedar, Cole, Franklin, Jefferson, Linn, Macon, Perry, Polk, St. Clair, and Ste. Genevieve.
More than 300 cases of CWD have been found in deer and elk in northwest Arkansas since early 2016. This has prompted MDC to increase CWD surveillance efforts in southwest Missouri.
CWD has the potential to greatly reduce deer numbers and deer hunting and watching over time for Missouri's nearly 500,000 deer hunters and almost two million wildlife watchers. Missouri offers some of the best deer hunting in the country, and deer hunting is an important part of many Missourians' lives and family traditions. Deer hunting is also an important economic driver in Missouri and gives a $1 billion annual boost to the state and local economies.
For more information on CWD and what MDC is doing about it, go online to mdc.mo.gov/CWD.
Enough Links to video and Article to make form your own opinion.
Missouri Department of Conservation Commission Video - Start Video at 20:00 Minutes and stop at 54.25 minutes later but pay close attention when you get to 38 minutes https://livestream.com/mdc/events/8210385/videos/175401632?t=1527268747307 What makes this interesting that a Missouri Department of Conservation Commissioner states that the information given is good that wish the public could have seen it.
You can't find this on the Missouri Department of Conservation website for some reason, which makes no sense. It can only be found on the Missouri Department of Health & Senior Services website that I have found. So I am guess that most hunters may have not seen this. https://health.mo.gov/pdf/cwd.pdf
As of August of 2018 the Counties with CWD postive in Missouri
Yep things have gotten personal in the last 60 days but not in the 34 3/4 years before that. I hear it all now all the things I have not said and have been accused of. Just posting my favorites.
ANTI DIESEASE MANAGEMENT, ANTI MDC, ANTI CONSERVATION, ANTI, DEER CONSERVATION, YOU ONLY CARE BECAUSE IT EFFECT YOU NOW, YOU SHOULD ONLY PASS INFORMATION FROM MDC or QDMA, not your OPINIONS and now I HAVE ATTACKED ALL MDC EMPLOYEES and MDC is STUPID, I AM CALLING YOU OUT, and YOUR HEAD IS IN THE SAND.
I was fighting for the MDC when the politicians came knocking on the door back in 2003 & 2004 that’s public record in the SE Missourian. Don’t remember any one else fighting for the MDC in SE Missouri against politician from Mexico, Missouri trying to repeal the 1/8 sales tax.
I spend more money and time on conservation groups, than I do on my on my own hunting property or my career combined. Wonder who else can make that statement!!!!!
ONE DEER is all it takes to DESTROY my area of the state. By: Allen “horntagger” Morris Written in 2013 What Missouri Can Do for You? By: Allen “horntagger” Morris Written in 2013
MDC Deer Management Open House By: Allen “horntagger” Morris Written 2014
VETO or GOVERNOR NIXON’S LEGACY By: Allen “horntagger” Morris Written 2014
CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE - HALF TRUTHS By: Allen "horntagger" Morris Written 2014
MISSOURI WHITETAIL DEER ENDANGERED BY Representative Casey Guernsey (R-Bethany) and Senator Brian Munzlinger (R-Williamstown) By: Allen "horntagger" Morris Written 2014
You have to remember CWD falls into two categories -
Introduction - Right now it has been introduce into the state and now in 9 Counties. To me this is the most important - It can only be introduce into an area by a live or dead animal by its feces, saliva, urine and blood.
Spread - Right now regulations are in place dealing with spread when multiple "Introduction of CWD" has not been addresses. To me that going at it backwards and picking low hanging fruit.
Few questions to consider feel free to pass around.
1. If CWD is the No. 1 concern and Deer Hunting is 1-billion-dollar annual boost to the Missouri Economy. Why not have 100 percent mandatory testing in positive CWD counties? Why no CWD regulation statewide?
2. People process their own deer in this part of the country but you have to click over 5 times on the internet just to find the protocols for deer processors – Why not emphasize this to the public?
3. States like Arkansas, Mississippi, and Michigan broadcast events like this live for all of the state to see along with hunters from out of state that hunt within. If this is such a big deal for all of us in Missouri and have been asking this question all year. First answer I got was MDC does not film events that long. Really Finally October 11th they put up the seminar.
4. How is CWD Introduce into an area?
Moving carcasses out of the immediate area where harvested and improperly disposing of them can introducing the disease into a new area.
FOR HUNTERS WHO BRING HARVESTED DEER OR OTHER CERVIDS INTO MISSOURI - Hunters who harvest deer, elk, or moose outside of the state and bring the animals back must report the entry into Missouri within 24 hours by calling 877-853-5665 or reporting it online at mdc.mo.gov/carcass. The carcass must be taken to a licensed meat processor or taxidermist within 72 hours of entry. · Hunters just passing through Missouri on their way to another state are exempt from this requirement as long as they are not in Missouri for longer than 24 hours. · The reporting requirement is only for whole carcasses and carcasses that have the head and spinal column attached. · Parts that do not require reporting and that are at lower risk for harboring CWD include: meat that is cut and wrapped; boned-out-meat; quarters or other portions of meat with no parts of the spine or head attached; hides or capes from which excess tissue has been removed; antlers, including those attached to skull plates; and skulls where all muscle and brain tissue has been removed.
None of these requirement for out of state apply to any of the CWD Positive Counties in Missouri.
States with CWD positives like Arkansas, Mississippi, Wisconsin, and Michigan have carcass ban movement for positive counties now. Basically a Quarantine of those positive counties.
What regulation in the last 8 years prevents moving dead deer from the 9 CWD Positive counties to other counties in Missouri to prevent introduction of CWD into other counties?
I shoot my deer in CWD Postive County and I live in Non Positive County and I take the deer back to my house and I process the deer in the barn at my home and get rid of the carcass in the woods at my house like I have for the past 20 years.
5. Say the deer is a buck and I want to do my own European mount and I boil the skull and antler will and pour the water and matter out on in the yard outside those CWD Management Areas.
What regulation in Missouri prevents this? Since CWD prion is killed by boiling water isn’t that a high risk way to spread the disease?
6. I shoot a buck and want to have it mounted but I don't want to spread CWD what should I do with the head?
7. What regulation prevents live deer from captive deer facilities in the Positive CWD counties from being moved to other captive deer facilities in the state?
Since soil can be contaminated several years what prevent soil run off from captive deer facilities?
8. What regulations prevents a wild free roaming deer – from having animal to animal contact with a concentration of captive deer in a fence to help slow the spread of CWD?
8. MDC can't regulate what businesses sell, Businesses in Mineral and feed ban counties, don't police their customers, Livestock owners don't care if deer eat feed or minerals. But right now, you can walk into a dozens of business in CWD Management Zone with two pallets of deer corn. In Missouri today. Does this make sense? Why are business in Missouri not included in communication on CWD to the public and hunters?
9. Deer Test Positive for CWD, but my understanding no Negative test.
Deer at early stages of CWD infection or soon after exposure will not test positive. So, no Negative test just test only Not Detected. No Guarantee of truly negative just that prions were not detected. It takes time for prions to accumulate in a deer to a detectable level.
So, how likely is it that some deer tested have been exposed but not yet at point where it could be detected?
Should I eat the meat before I get the test result back or at all knowing their no negative test?
How long can a deer have cwd before a deer test cwd detected?
How long does it take to get test results back from the mandatory testing?
10. Does the temperature of the deer heads are kept at before testing matter, that samples are taken from?
11. Deer can become infected with chronic wasting disease if they come into contact with other infected deer. Salvia, Blood, Urine and Feces – But deer are social animals and come in contact every day with Salvia, Blood, Urine and Feces by drinking watering holes, urinating in deer scrapes, dozen of bucks licking on licking branches at scrapes, Feces in Food plots or deer even eating off the same soybean plant and bucks breeding doe and does giving birth to fawns.
Why are none of the other factors a worry?
12. Urine production and sale is not regulated by any state or federal agency. when other states and countries do. States have banned the use of deer urine lures, Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Idaho, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, Tennessee and Alabama in 2019. Louisiana is forewarning deer hunters about the use of. Mississippi in their public meeting video talks about deer urine having approval on the bottle.
Why no ban on deer urine?
13. Deer can become infected with chronic wasting disease if they come into contact with other infected deer or with surface SOIL containing carcass parts from diseased deer. Deer carcass parts known to concentrate CWD include brain, spinal cord, eyes, spleen, and lymph nodes. So, in Sept 15th to Jan 15th - 2017 8,606 deer harvest in these three counties and I would expect the same number for 2018.
Why is their little concern over the 8,606 Gut Piles and 8,606 Deer Carcasses? What about scavengers or even my dog eating of these won’t they spread it around?
14. Why are there so many different regulations dealing with CWD from different states?
15. Why so many different opinions from professional (Deer Biologist, Veterinarians) that say CWD is a concern and CWD is over blown?
16. WHY NO OTHER POSITIVES ON ANY CAPTIVE DEER FACILITIES SHOWN SINCE 2011?
75 CWD Positives Free Ranging Whitetails from 2011 to 2018 in Missouri CWD Positives in Linn and Macon counties in 2010 and 2011. A total of 11 cases were confirmed in captive deer at the facilities.
17. How does this effect the Elk Herd now in Missouri has shipped in from Kentucky? Since no live test how do we know they don’t have CWD? 18. Why no time frame for counties to fall out of the CWD management Zones? Does this just go on forever?
19. Research papers and biologist keeps suggesting that CWD occurs in higher rates in Buck’s.
When we have a CWD positive, they come in January, February and March after bucks have already distributed over the landscape and Kill aka Targeted Culling with employees and free tag for landowners. If Bucks are at such risks of speeding the spread.
Then why don’t we have a Late August Buck Season before the buck disperse over the landscape?
If lowering the deer population is the goal in CWD Management positive counties. Why are their limits on weapons used for Bow Season? Like Airbows which are not allowed.
Why are 2 Buck Limit not Removed for those positive counties?
20. What happens when this reaches Mingo Wildlife Refuge – Federal run property, has the protocols been worked out already?
What protocols are in place when it hits Public land in Missouri that may be 10,000 plus acres?
What protocols are in place when it hits next to a City Limit that does not allow deer hunting and has high population of deer?
21. Depredation Permit System - Permits to farmer protecting their crops.
The system I am aware of is broken it may not be for you, because you have good ethics, but it is in my region of the and for others in the state.
This was sent to me also!!!. Quote “I’m trying to wrap my head around an issue I have in my neck of the woods. I have two farmers one owns his farm and the other one rents. The one that rents bought a kill permit the last two years and he brags about killing 30 to 40 deer in the summertime and just letting them lay. I have dogs that roam around, and they bring home all of the deer carcasses and they end up in the yard.
This is nothing new to me first hand, the farmer near me killed bucks, does, fawns whatever without permit every summer. They would even shoot them in the stomachs so that they would run out of the bean fields, so scavengers would not tear up their beans. I am not the only one that is aware of this going on from other locations. He never received one ticket, was told to stop and never did. He did stop because he died few year ago.
Does the Missouri Department of Conservation have record keeping for depredation permits to farmers?
How is the deer recorded it was killed and a tag was used back to MDC?
If issued in the CWD Management Zone? Are any of these deer tested for CWD?
Mineral and Feed Bans
Article being pass around that prions being found at Mineral Locations and that Feeding sites are spreading disease by concentrating deer.
Early stages of infection direct animal to animal is the primary source of transmission is what we are being told to us. By the time that indirect transmission via prions in the environment LIKE MINERAL LICKS become a significant issue the disease is well established in the population. The tipping point from published literature seems to be 20-30% prevalence which would put CWD over a large geographic area. Missouri not even at 2-4% in our small core areas in Missouri.
22. What regulation prevents deer from using salt licks for livestock to slow the spread of CWD?
23. If Mineral and feed are concentrating deer and is the source of disease -
Why not a complete state ban of mineral and feed if we are all in this together?
24. How many prions does it take to infect a deer?
25. So why the ban on mineral in area with no CWD positive when other source of spread have not been resolved ?
Prions in the environment – Can’t CWD prions be found at multiple environment sources since deer are constantly shedding prions once infected?
food plots, watering holes, scrapes, gut piles, carcasses, preferred oak trees, bean fields, corn fields, clay based soils, etc. etc. Transmission of CWD has been shown to occur: animal, to animal, soil to animal, plants to animal, soil to plants to animal, and mother to-offspring.
Issues of discussion with CWD
1. Antler Restriction in place in northern counties because bucks age average was 1 ½ year harvested before AR’s. Never put in place in Southeast Missouri because of lower population of deer. Age went up in all age classes of bucks and doe harvest increase by MDC statements, before CWD hit then AR’s gone in those counties.
APR was put into place to protect young bucks resulting in a shift in harvest pressure to does in an effort to reduce the population and adjust the sex-ratio so that fewer deer would have to be harvested in the long-run with a higher proportion of the same size population being made up of bucks.
Definite benefit is increased buck survival and recruitment into older age-classes. APRs were not placed in parts of Southeast Mo because of concerns of population size and strong opposition to the proposed regulation.
When dealing with CWD a great concern associate with the APR is that it protects 1 ½ year old bucks which are the individuals that disperse and have the potential to create new sparks, thereby increase the rate of spread.
Unfortunately, APR is completely counterproductive to disease management.
2. What is the strategy of the Missouri Department of Conservation when CWD hits the public lands in Southern Missouri and they start Wholesale Targeting Culling in public lands like Apple Creek, Castor River, Etc., Etc. because the population will be reduce in area that MDC already says has a low population (See Question 1) won’t it reduce the hunter retention because if people don’t see deer they will stop hunting and then less tags are sold so tag prices will have to be increased even in other seasons.
If we have a lot fewer deer to hunt in a few decades because CWD is heavily impacting the population then any concerns about short-term impact of our management effort on hunter retention are an acceptable risk.
Currently our management actions are very proactive to target locations where the disease has been detected in an effort to minimize the impact to the deer population in a broader geography.
3. Ban of Mineral for Deer in counties – But if this is a serious matter then why are there no restriction on how livestock are feed minerals – Cattle, Goats, etc. Because deer will use those mineral feeders just as readily.
Yep, there is definitely risk, but at least we aren’t intentionally doing it to benefit deer.
All the more reason to keep work hard to limit the distribution of CWD and realize that there is just some risk that can/will not be eliminated.
4. QDM practice used in Illinois, Iowa and Kansas of not having rifle season in the rut has increase age class in bucks and those states have CWD also.
Not likely given current levels of public support leaving the season where it is and efforts to make sure that regulations are not counterproductive to CWD management.
5. The new Elk restoration that has occurred in Missouri they are being monitored very close, but what are the plans when a deer or elk in the area test positive will the herd be eliminated.
All elk mortalities.
Yes, same management actions would likely be recommended.
6. On the targeting harvest in CWD zones since, it can be transmitted through direct animal to animal contact or contact with saliva, urine, feces, blood, certain carcass parts such as brain tissue and spinal cord of an infected animal. When the animals are shot and blood hits the ground won’t the ground now be infected? What about deer wounded or lost has that occurred.
Early stages of infection direct animal to animal is the primary source of transmission. By the time that indirect transmission via prions in the environment become a significant issue the disease is well established in the population. The tipping point from published literature seems to be 20-30% prevalence which would put CWD over a large geographic area. We aren’t even at 2-4% in our small core areas.
7. When EHD hits an area, it takes 3 to 4 years for population to recover with adequate fawn production and low hunting and predator pressure in general term. Isn’t targeting harvest doing the same thing won’t it take 3 to 4 years for population to recover in those landowner properties?
Yes. We must remove CWD positive animals from the landscape. Reduced numbers will occur as part of the process.